MORE PORN!!!!!

So within a short amount of time I have received a few emails from devotees asking who I am referring to and urging me to “alert the temple management.”

Here’s my response.
I did not write my earlier post as a threat to lynch, blackmail or out any devotee. Seriously, I have compassion for all devotees–there are so many personal struggles which make our lives so difficult. Neither above or beyond these sorts of things, I am not trying to persecute anyone.
Sure, I find porn offensive and yucky and bleah. And totally think the library is, perhaps, the most inappropriate place for it. But nevertheless, I am not going to report anyone to “authorities.” We are adults and, to be honest, I don’t think it is appropriate for people to be micro-managed. And besides, I figure we all answer to a higher authority.
From my knowledge of addictions and vices, people don’t normally indulge in these sort of things without great shame and remorse. 
I am confident that, as adults, we are trying to work on ourselves. Sometimes compulsions may get the best of us and we may not act soberly. Or maybe we just don’t think anyone, you know, notices.
My previous post was written in the spirit of being grossed out, but also to let devotees know that the “privacy screens” are not that private. It is not so difficult to see what you are looking at, especially if it is a full color naked woman.
Also, I think it is a good idea to get devotees talking about the realities of life. In this day of unlimited internet access, porn is one of those realities. As the mother of a son (and daughter!) I wonder how  I am going to allow my children to become computer literate without exposing them to confusing and way too graphic images.
Just the other day, when doing a Google image search for “Homer Simpson” for my other blog, there in the mix of all the Homer pics was some really nasty stuff. My kids were just a few feet away. Thankfully they didn’t see anything because I have no idea how I would have explained it to a five year old and 3 1/2 year old.
Anyway, the internet is there. Porn is there. People are tempted. These are the problems of everyone, even those desiring to become God conscious.
Again, I didn’t write my earlier post to start a witch hunt. Dialogue was more what I was going for. The problem is probably so widespread that to single one person out just doesn’t make sense.
Love to all,
Devadeva
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16 responses to “MORE PORN!!!!!

  1. kmala

    if you want my honest opinion (not that you asked…), from experience, most men (brahmacari and grihasta's alike) look at a porn. and like it. I have no explanation for it other than men are men and seem to really like the breasts and behinds and what not. and if there is a man out there that claims to find porn immoral and disgusting, then I call him a liar (or in denial at the very least). hell, I would argue that most woman are also attracted to porn, but in a much different way.

  2. Devadeva Mirel

    kmala hearts porn.

  3. lenny zimkus

    that should be a t shirt

  4. Devadeva Mirel

    oh you are such an njXhc kid!!!!

  5. tulasi-priya dasi

    Oh, God, I was really shocked to read this, and am feeling a little queasy just thinking about it. Men, devotees or not, may like to look, but what I question is what kind of numskull looks at it in a public place? Serious lapse in judgment, especially with little kids around. But then, what do you expect when the government allows people to access porn in a place where children congregate? Moronic.

    I don't find porn in general necessarily immoral or disgusting (from a material point of view). It has its place. But I do think it should be tightly regulated and censored. Some types of speech should be less free than others.

  6. Devadeva Mirel

    actually there were a few men looking at porn at 3:30 in the afternoon.

    it's basically a porn nook.

  7. kmala

    I wouldn't say I heart it, necessarily. though I would totally wear that shirt, glal.

    and I agree with Tulsi-priya on the idiocy of the people looking at porn in broad daylight in a public library – though I don't agree with the censorship part.I do, however, think that the libraries should put some filters on adult content sites.

  8. Jayadeva

    Hey! You totally swiped one of the blog posts that I wanted to write/talk about on my blog! It's going to be titled "That Which We Do Not Speak Of" and discusses the topic of sex and lust within a Krishna Conscious framework.

    As my Kmala so eloquently pointed out, almost all men are attracted to pornographic images, as well as women. And even if it's not straight up, hardcore pornography, there is still that attraction and attachment to sexual stimuli. This is the nature of the material world. Srila Prabhupada says in a Srimad Bhagavatam purport that this material world is the "shackles of sex life". But anyway, I'll save all this for my post (if I ever get around to writing it). But thanks for starting the dialog, sister.

  9. jackie

    Here are my unrequested thoughts, just for the sake of discussion (and perhaps to give me something to do while hiding out on my porch due to fear of the mouse who has planted himself on my kitchen rug.)

    Sometimes "outting" someone, is actually the compassionate thing to do. No one is happy indulging in such degraded activities. And, due to the unbelievably inappropriate time and place he chose to do so, (keeping in mind the vast number of devotees that are alwaaaays in that library), I don't think it's such a leap to guess that he actually wants to get caught– be it for some sicko kicks that might result, or actually to get some help.

    Lastly, having been raised in the Catholic church, I could provide numerous examples of "celibates" whose lust completely got the best of them, and they took their frustrated, repressed, sexual desires out on children. So, if you're like me and can't conjur any compassion for perverts who pass themselves as brahmanas, perhaps thinking of protecting the kids and women of them community might inspire some action.

    That being said, I wholeheartedly support your decisions, Deva, cuz fer real– Shyam will rectify this. He always does.

  10. lenny zimkus

    First thing is, why are devotees hanging out at the library? Is it Alachua's answer to Barnes and Noble? Do they offer comfy chairs and decaf latte's? If so i can see why they are going there.
    Maybe make a suggestion to the library mgmt to put some blockers on those pages.

  11. kmala

    internet at the library is free. you have to pay at barnes and noble for wireless access.
    that's just my guess.

  12. Devadeva Mirel

    #1 the barnes and noble is in gainesville and sucks. i think there is a borders which is better/newer

    #2 you have to own a laptop

    #3 the library has just been remodeled and is suburban small town nice

    #4 there are always tons of devotees there. especially devotee kids

    #5 as a rhetorical technicality, i never actually said "today i was in the library and saw a devotee man looking at p-o-r-n on the computer

    #6 i would rather be dead than tattle on someone for looking at porn in the library

    #7 not all porn ogglers are threats to society

    #8 i truly think that people think those screens afford them a sense of privacy, which they pretty much do

    #9 like i said before, i so don't think it is an isolated incident/event

    #10 i hope when my problems are discovered by devotees that people will be kind and compassionate to me

  13. Devadeva Mirel

    #11 i heart jayadeva.

  14. Devadeva Mirel

    one last thing…directly addressing the mood of outing someone as an act of compassion.

    that would be possible if all devotees were in the mood of audarya…were loving and kind and non-judgmental.

    but unfortunately, that is so not true. maybe it is true, but for some of the devotees and their loving kindness, they are separated by time. 🙂

    i had a rather rough go at being a devotee and had some truly terrible things said about me (publicly) by managers, gbc, gurus, the works. at the time i was serious, sincere and sensitive and was greatly affected by these things. now that i am, relatively speaking, not very serious about my spiritual life and place much less importance on these type of people in my life, i can see the humor in it.

    anyway, i can go on and on but i think we really need to be careful how we see one another/talk about one another.

    faith and love. faith and love. it all comes down to those two things.

    and we can love someone who may have some unlovable habits. because this is not their true self.

    and compassion doesn't mean humiliating someone. screw this tough love mumbo jumbo. this is not for me. people's spirits are too sensitive.

  15. Mandakini/Margaret

    "and compassion doesn't mean humiliating someone. screw this tough love mumbo jumbo. this is not for me. people's spirits are too sensitive."

    Thank you! I wholeheartedly agree and have seen the whole humiliation thing backfire before.

  16. Ananga-manjari

    DDd…thanks for your compassionate words. As aspiring devotees of Krsna we are all battling with maya in some way. For some it is in regards to sex-life and for others, it's some other type of intoxication/addiction. What's most important in my life right now is the welfare of my children. And so, though I rather pornography be reserved for folks private settings, I'd be off my flippin' rocker and pissed as spit if it were images of kids.

    I will keep a close eye on my boys when we move to Alachua.

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